Curse

Cherno · Nov 02, 2007, 10:54 PM // 22:54

No class needs to have a secondary. Of course there are certain synergies or combos you can take advantage of, but you do not need to have a secondary.

Part of a lot of players problems who insist on a secondary is that they are trying to do too much with their character. "Jack of all trades, but master of none" is extremely apropos to guild wars. That's why people make fun of wammos so much. This is a team game (yes, even if your team is all heroes and henchies). Rely on your team and work as a team. Draw on the unique strengths that each primary class has to offer.

Omniclasm · Nov 02, 2007, 11:01 PM // 23:01

Dervish.................

holababe · Nov 02, 2007, 11:06 PM // 23:06

My monk has rarely used skills from her second profession.
But then again, most of my skills are 5e

Vinraith · Nov 02, 2007, 11:10 PM // 23:10

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Originally Posted by holababe

My monk has rarely used skills from her second profession.
But then again, most of my skills are 5e

The only off profession skills I ever use with a monk are mesmer interruption protection and energy management.

Skyy High · Nov 02, 2007, 11:44 PM // 23:44

Monks are incredibly reliant on their secondary, especially in PvP, because their energy management was non-existent before GW:EN. Now they at least have a signet in smiting, but that's still not good enough.

When I monk in PvE, I don't need to take a secondary for most areas, but anywhere that's actually difficult it's far more important than any other class. If someone else doesn't manage their energy well, it's fine for a bit; if the monk screws up, gg.

Tarkin · Nov 03, 2007, 12:29 AM // 00:29

If we talking about PvE... because PvP is diferent the weak in PvE can be strong in PvP...

And we talking about pure chars, no one skills from other classes...

i think this way...

you can have a all ranger team... yes easy...

you can have a all paragorn team... yes strong defense good heal good defense some solid attacks

you can have a all rit team... yes good heal good damage good defense

you can have a all monk team... i remember the strike in Tok they made a all monk team and finish the mission... yes... and funny i think this is the strongst team... SB... bonds... SoJ...

you can have a all dervish team... sadly yes... good heal good damage good defenses

you can have a all warrior team...? i will avenge you? maybe yes... maybe not... low heal... good defense...

you can have a all ele team...? big damage, big defense wards... but low self heal... weak against casters...

you can have a all necro team...? MM... some self heal... but weak against any damage type... some good skills...

you can have a all mesmer team... ... ... no... i belive... good skills all kown but... to weak... low self heal...

you can have a all sin team... sadly no... strong to block... but to weak against any damage type and to weak against spells...

Martin Alvito · Nov 03, 2007, 12:37 AM // 00:37

Monks.

It's possible to run a Warrior bar without skills from a secondary and have it function well. The one secondary skill the typical Warrior uses is generally nice to have but not essential.

By contrast, Monks have relied on secondary skills for energy management and self-defense since very early on in Guild Wars. Monks ran cross-class elites (Offering of Blood and Mantra of Recall) as their primary energy management for a year or so; these were replaced by less effective, but still essential non-elite energy management and defensive solutions. The effectiveness of Monk bars would drop off dramatically without such secondary skills.

Marty McFly · Nov 03, 2007, 12:48 AM // 00:48

I like to go with the Monk as a secondary to begin with. And then after I learn the class I am playing I switch it around and experiment with different builds and such.

Lagg · Nov 03, 2007, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by Tarkin

you can have a all mesmer team... ... ... no... i belive... good skills all kown but... to weak... low self heal...

you can have a all sin team... sadly no... strong to block... but to weak against any damage type and to weak against spells...

All Sin team (no secondary profession skills) > 8 Shadow Form Sins. Go in one by one, pull out when it's about to run out -- so yes, definitely possible.

All Mesmer team (no secondary profession skills) > Mmmmh... Lots and lots of degen, snares, anti-caster and anti-attacker. Physical / Elemental Resistance, maybe? Challenging, but possible.

Dallcingi · Nov 03, 2007, 01:25 AM // 01:25

PvP monks most definately.
mesmer in ha for channeling
warrior/ele/mes/sin in gvg/ra for return, balacned stance, glyph, and inspired etc etc... some of it is old meta though.

Terra Xin · Nov 03, 2007, 01:28 AM // 01:28

Monks and Warrior

RedNova88 · Nov 03, 2007, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by Lagg

All Sin team (no secondary profession skills) > 8 Shadow Form Sins. Go in one by one, pull out when it's about to run out -- so yes, definitely possible.

Not only that but a lot of times I see people say that Assassin's have way too little armor to be front-line in PvE. So IF we're talking about PvE figure in critical agility along with Nightstalker insignias. Thats like at least +20 armor depending on if you're attacking, and of course your Sunspear rank. If you have at least r8 sunspear you would have well over 100 armor while attacking (more than warrior depending on insignias).

And honestly I can't come up with a prof that is dependent on a secondary to help carry the weight... Maybe monk for e-management as mentioned above but other than that every class can do very well on it's own, especially the Dervish (imo).

Orinn · Nov 03, 2007, 01:41 AM // 01:41

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Warrior and assassin: both are vulnerable to blind or miss hexes, and neither has any way of removing conditions or hexes without a secondary. Dervishes have a single form that makes them immune to conditions, as well as the Wind Prayers line that can lower condition durations.

Monks can produce both offense and deense, an entire spectrum from pure smiting to pure protections. E-management is useful, but you can run an effective monk in PvE (probably not in PvP- not my area) without resorting to a secondary profession, just by choosing skills wisely.

Caster classes are generally less reliant on secondary: elementalists, mesmers, and necros all have solid offensive and defensive skills, Paragons and Rits can offer party-wide buffs and decent offense to supplement their own offensive contributions.

Warriors are the only class that can be shut down by a single condition, without a single skill anywhere in their primary skills that can deal with that condition. I almost forgot about Signet of Malice, which makes straight assassins at least capable of dealing with a single blind.

Omniclasm · Nov 03, 2007, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by RedNova88

Not only that but a lot of times I see people say that Assassin's have way too little armor to be front-line in PvE. So IF we're talking about PvE figure in critical agility along with Nightstalker insignias. Thats like at least +20 armor depending on if you're attacking, and of course your Sunspear rank. If you have at least r8 sunspear you would have well over 100 armor while attacking (more than warrior depending on insignias).

I've came to the conclusion that it really doesn't matter. I've done many missions and quests with NO "front-line".

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Originally Posted by Orinn

Warrior and assassin: both are vulnerable to blind or miss hexes, and neither has any way of removing conditions or hexes without a secondary. Dervishes have a single form that makes them immune to conditions, as well as the Wind Prayers line that can lower condition durations.

[skill]Signet of Malice[/skill]?

Redfeather1975 · Nov 03, 2007, 01:55 AM // 01:55

I'm saying warrior and monk too.

Hyper.nl · Nov 03, 2007, 02:13 AM // 02:13

Monk definately. Just check the amount of 'wtb monk tomes' (Or tombs by some brainless people) shouted by non-primary monk players.

For me as elementalist I mostly rely on Dervish with a nice mystic regeneration with my enchants or Mesmer for the Inspiration/Illusion skills.

Faer · Nov 03, 2007, 03:49 AM // 03:49

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Originally Posted by arcady

My preferred primary is Monk, and it is one that I feel is usually weaker if I add in anything from the secondary.

[skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill] + [skill]Aegis[/skill] + [skill]Protective Spirit[/skill] = ?

CHunterX · Nov 03, 2007, 04:12 AM // 04:12

Warrior... lol, riiiight
I'd have to say in PvE, Paragon. For SY! and/or WY!
For PvP, from what little experience I have, I'd say Monk. For E-Management.

Zeek Aran · Nov 03, 2007, 04:54 AM // 04:54

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Monks. imo have always been the ones who rely on another profession the most, wether its defensive warrior skills, shadow art assassin skills, necro blood, mesmer inspiration, dervish earth prayers, and such.

I was going to say this. Thank you, lyra. I agree. :3

Red Sonya · Nov 03, 2007, 05:04 AM // 05:04

I would say monks because they rely on other classes to provide them needed energy gains. Their own are the worst of all the classes that have energy gaining skills.